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1.
I wonder if we could start this interview, by having Ardra:
My
name is Ardra Hernandez and I am addicted Christine:
I am of the Filipino descent. Born in
Gina:
My name is Gina Carano; I have lived in Lisa:
My name is Lisa King, I am a mother of two (both of which
2.It
seems no where you go,or who you fight, you guys find yourselves to be
the center of attention-even when you travel to far away places. And
anytime your names are mentioned there are strong emotional reactions.
It really seems that very few people are able to be neutral Christine:
Unfortunately, the public
uses judgement upon first impressions and hearsay.
For anyone in the public eye, that is an issue. With Muay Thai
being a niche market, it’s more difficult to open to those outside of
it. Many people will judge by looks and by what they hear, and that’s
just the reality. We’re a new target for gossip.
That is not entirely a bad thing. As for those that have strong
emotional reactions towards our presence being seen or heard of,
a person either likes what we’re doing or doesn’t.
And if they don’t like who we are and what we do, it’s not
our problem. We encourage people to watch our fights, come see us train,
and learn the truth about us, before making any negative comments. For
those that support us, we thank you. Gina:
Some people might notice us because of the way we look, the way we
fight, the way we act, what we do for a living, where we live, what and
who we are surrounded by, where we train, who we train with, where
we’ve been. Group
Answer: It’s flattering…good, bad and indifferent because we have
people talking, and that to us is flattering in itself. Christine:
I get upset, but then I take a moment to realize that if these people
really knew me, they wouldn’t have such things to say. These people
don’t know who I am and what’s REALLY happening. There will always
be those people that have negative and/ or false things to say. Sometimes
it’s just plain funny, and I find it entertaining. The world has to
spin somehow, I guess. Ardra:
I don’t take negative things to heart because if you do, you’ll only
be full of negativity. Gina:
It kind of sucks because these people are feeding the public
information that they have no idea about but the truth will always come
out in the end and that’s all that matters.
Tasha:
It doesn’t bother me at all to hear people’s opinions , because
that’s all they are… just opinions. Lisa:
I feel the need to get on the forums and post, to educate them on who we
are and what we are up against. 5.
Are there any misconceptions, or misinformation circulating about
any of you that you would like to correct? Gina:
Yes, we’re not all the same person, we’re individuals who come from
different places, no, we’re not all playmates, we don’t all work the
same jobs, we are not all college students, we don’t all have
children, we are not all the same weight with the same skill.
We are 5 EXTREMELY different women who have Muay Thai in common,
let’s not confuse things. Tasha:
Yes, I am the playboy model..and I have worked very hard for my playboy
career, but I work even harder for my Muay Thai career and I take it
very seriously. So when I’m in there I’m not just a playboy
bunny…I’m a FIGHTER! Ardra:
I never really thought that people would talk about me, but they always
categorize us together…me and Tasha because we’re best friends and
we are always together. She’s a great person, has a great career…I
am also a nice person…I work hard…and train hard and I am my own
person. So I would like to
be talked about as my own person. 6.
Some of your fans are almost as emotional as your critics. How
does it feel when you read complimentary things written by adoring fans
that may be seen by some to be exaggerated?
Are you flattered and appreciative? Or does it make you feel
slightly uncomfortable? Group
Answer: It is both flattering and uncomfortable because we don’t want
people to think that we are more than we are… We are growing just like
everyone else and there is something special inside all of us. Do you
think that Mohammad Ali sat around thinking he was normal? He knew he
was something special and he was going to do something great, isn't that
a big reason why he is so great. 7.
Shortly after your return from that successful tour of Group
Answer: We were shocked, overwhelmed and complimented. We had no idea
that people even knew we were gone or what we were doing. We didn’t
even know that people cared or knew who the Toddy’s Angels were. It
was very discerning that people assumed that we fought “little Thai
girls” (in reference to the posts that started the long topic on us)
and that we couldn’t hold our own.
I would like to switch gears a bit, and talk about the public
image of both the public persona of Toddy’s Angels and also the public
perception of women fighters. Group
answer:
We’re just bringing out our individuality and it surprises
people. We feel that there shouldn’t have to be a cookie cutter
approach to female fighters. 10.
On the other hand, could there be a fear among some people that because
of the popularity of Toddy’s Angels, that women fighters will
eventually become as much valued for their looks as for their ring
skills? And do you think some of the resentments to Toddy’s Angels may
Group:
Our
looks isn’t what we value most as fighters. It’s the uniqueness of
who we are as individuals and how we come together as a group that makes
us Toddy’s Angels. We are trying to help promote Muay Thai, not change
it, nor are we giving ideas of what women fighters should look or be
like. We’d all agree that it’s not the way we look that makes us
fight the way we do. We are all skilled and that’s what matters most
when we fight. There’s a lot of hard work put into that. 11.
You are branded as "Toddy's Angels”. How do you feel being
branded as a group and not as individuals? It seems when people talk
about one Angel, it reflects on all of you. Group:
What
makes up a team? Individuals.
What makes our team unique? That
we are completely different from one another.
We expect people to at least give that a thought.
We will defend each other because we are a team.
It comes with the territory.
We are a family and we will take the good and the bad together. 12.
I can’t remember exactly the first time I saw the name ”Toddy’s
Angels” applied to you. But, the name suddenly caught on and has
definitely associated with you in the mind of the public. After giving
it some thought, it occurred to me that the name was likely taken from
the Old TV show, “Charlie’s
Angels”, or maybe the much more recent movie by the same name. Both
shows featured three very beautiful women who were extremely skilled in
martial arts and used their skills to fight criminals, and bad guys.
And, apparently, the public
saw in you, a similarity to the characters in the movie.
So, what do you
think it is that makes beautiful women who can also fight like men so
appealing and fascinating to the general public? Christine:
Fighting was known to be a “man’s” sport.
Women are continuing to prove otherwise. That in itself is
fascinating.
Ardra:
Don’t be afraid to be your own person. Let it out. Group
Answer: We are ourselves and we don’t allow the public to dictate what
we do and who we are. Group
answer: No
of course not. You can’t take 5 strong willed women anywhere and
expect them to get along all the time. But just like a family you have
your fights, but you all pull for each other during and in the end.
Strong individuals working together makes us a better team. 15.What
is the mission for "Toddy's Angels"?
Is there a purpose and goal for creating all of you as a branded
group? 16.
Do you feel Master Toddy is using your looks to help promote the
sport? If yes, what are 17.
What makes Toddy's Angels different from other female fighters?
Group
answer:
We
don’t know…you tell us. 18.
Do you feel that the image you set out for yourselves portrays
women fighters at its best?
Group
answer :
We
all train at different times, with different trainers.
Obviously we train at the same gym so our paths cross from time
to time. We fit in our
training to coincide with our everyday lives.
Gina:
Go Lisa:
Represent Girl Ardra:
Yes it is barbaric and uncivilized! Siiiiiiiiiike! 23.
What do you say to people who think women should not be fighting at all? Lisa:
those are the same chauvinistic people who think women should stay home
and take care of kids. Christine:
Arrhhhhhhhhh! Ardra:
Uhhh, Sorry!
27.
Lets talk a little about sportsmanship and so-called “trash
talking”. There have been a number of instances were both male and
female fighters have been criticized
A.
Predicting you will KO your opponent?
Gina: Each fighter is
different, do whatever works for you.
Lisa: Confidence is key, no one walks into a fight saying
they’re going to lose.
Christine: I never expect a KO but if it comes GREAT. Ardra: I don’t go in looking for a KO, I just go in looking to win. B.
Staring down or intimidating your opponent at the weighin. b)
Lisa: That’s two separate questions, at the weigh in I am
everybody’s best friend, Gina: You use different ways of getting
in peoples heads. Personally, I kind of like it when my opponent is a
little overconfident. Christine: At the weigh in , I
acknowledge my opponent’s presence and greet them in a friendly
manner. I’ve never done a stare down at weigh in. I’m not one to do
that. In the ring, I look my opponent straight in the eyes. I have a natural
fire in my eyes and I know that I want to win the fight more than she
does.
E. Talking to, or “taunting” your opponent during the fight? Group
answer:
None
of us have ever talked or taunted our opponents during a fight, we’re
focused
on fighting. F.
So where do you draw the line between showmanship, entertaining
the fans, expressing
28.
In the last couple of years there have been several instances where a
woman fighter agreed to fight a male challenger or opponent. In each
case (except for one) the woman won the fight. Fighters
who have fought men include
Asako Saioka, Sunshine Fettkether, Takako Group answer: If you’re a woman and you want to take a fight against a man, to each HER own.
Group
answer: We
are trying to gain exposure for the sport by planning more promotions so
that the spectators can gain respect and appreciation for all of the new
and upcoming female fighters. And
that’s all we can really do.
30.
Which female fighters are your role models? And why? What makes a
female fighter highly respectable? Christine: Kim Messer, Lisa Howarth, and Lucia Rijker. I have never met them in person but from watching their fights and interviews, it seems they each have a humble persona and they carry themselves well. I personally think both characteristics makes a fighter more admirable. They all show a passion for the sport, are amazingly talented in the ring, and they all have been successful becoming world champions deservingly. All my respect to them each for being strong women, and all my respect to each of them for being great fighters. Gina:
Christine Toledo, for being an awesome fighter and a great role model.
And all the other female fighters who have the heart to get in
the ring, we all deserve respect for that.
And all the women who are truly talented and excel in the sport,
who keep raising the bar to what the rest of us are trying to become. Lisa: Angela Rivera, she is a great technical fighter who has more than proven herself and deserves the respect that she’s been given, she’s done a lot for women in Muay Thai here in the U.S. and has successfully made a career out of it as well.
Lisa:
Getting in the ring. (without falling J) Christine:
Experiencing Gina:
Becoming a part of Muay Thai itself, it’s given me more than I could
ever give back. Ardra:
Fighting in 32.
Why should people come to watch your fights? Group
answer: Why
shouldn’t they? 33.
When is your next fight, and whom are you fighting? Group
answer: March
26th at the Stardust Hotel in 34. Are any of you going to be in a movie any time soon? If so, can
you tell us something about it? Group
amswer: All
of us will be in a movie entitled Ring
Girls. We were
discovered when we were asked to do a reality tv show for ESPN.
A producer for “Charlie’s Angels” and 2 individual
directors thought the sport and our training and dedication would be
good for the big screen. They
attended one of our fights and decided to make a movie about who we are,
what we do and how much time and dedication we put into Muay 35.
What would you like to say to the fans in closing? Group
answer: Thank
you to Dan for allowing us to do this interview.
Thank you to our fans for being supportive of what we do.
To the naysayers – we realize we can’t make everyone happy we
just ask that you at least see one of our fights and judge us
individually for our skills and
dedication. FAN
QUESTIONS: Inquiring minds want to KNOW!! Below
are some of the most frequently asked
(also some of the funniest and weirdest) questions that fans have
written in for Toddy’s Angels: The first four have been paraphrased by
womenkickboxing to make clearer exactly what the questioner wanted to
know. A. Roger asks: Would you fight another Angel, if she held a title in
your weight class that you wanted? If yes, would you KO her if you
could, or beat her just enough to win, since she’s your friend? Ardra:
Never! Christine:
No Gina: Gina: Depends on the day, J ha ha No, you don’t fight from under the same roof. Lisa:
As far is it is concerned you never fight someone from the same camp.
It’s just not something you would do. B.
Larry asks: Have any of you ever used your fighting skills either
to defend yourselves or others on the street, or anywhere outside the
ring? And can you give an
example? Ardra:
No Christine:
No Gina: Ever since I started Muay Thai the fights outside the ring have stopped, I don’t know maybe it just taught me how to handle situations better. Lisa:
No C.
Gustavo asks: Is it true that professional fighters hands are considered
“deadly weapons” and “registered like guns, by the state? Group
answer: Anyone
with a martial arts background that can use their skill effectively is
considered a weapon, and only in self defense can it be used, if not for
competition. D.
DuSean asks: Being trained fighters, how do you relate to guys
who are not fighters? If you
met a really nice looking, polite, educated man with a great
personality, would his inability to fight make you feel uncomfortable
with him as a potential boyfriend? Ardra:
It would not matter to me if my boyfriend could fight or not, just as
long as he was good to me. Christine: A
successful, confident, and well educated man is admirable.
Not being a trained fighter doesn’t prove a man’s inability
to protect a woman. Fighting in competition is a skill. Not everyone has
that. It wouldn’t make me uncomfortable that he isn’t a fighter, but
I’d hope he’d be comfortable and very supportive that I am. Gina:
Guys that don’t fight in the ring and that don’t train to fight,
find women fighting absolutely fascinating or they hate it.
I relate fine to guys who don’t fight because even though
fighting is such a huge part of my life; I have a lot of other passions
as well. However, it does
make it easier when the guy understands what you go through to train,
get ready for a fight and the love for fighting, it’s nice to have
that understanding. Lisa:
Because of my profession, I am surrounded by professional men who
have never seen or heard of Muay
E.
Mike asks: Are you guys fighting as a way to get into the movies?
I heard that you were all interested in movie careers. Ardra:
I started fighting for me and because I love it. I’ve never
even thought about being in the movies, but the opportunity has come up
so why not? Christine:
No. Muay Thai is more important to me than landing an acting career
because I’m in love with it. Don’t
get me wrong though, I’d love to do fighting scenes, or take a role as
a fighter or something that involves my muay thai background, if ever I
was given the opportunity. Actors work hard for their careers. I work
hard to be a fighter. Gina:
Um, no, anything that comes along with something that I love to do
everyday of my life, is great. Muay
Thai is what I love to do and loved to do before any of this attention
came along and it is something I will love to do after it all passes. Lisa:
I NEVER imagined in my wildest dreams that the opportunities that
have come our way was a possibility.
As Christine and Gina mentioned, if you are afforded an amazing
opportunity doing what you love to do – why not?
I don’t know too many people who would turn what has been
recently presented to us. We
were some of those people who you hear about who were in the “right
place, doing the right thing, at the right time”.
Fate is sometimes good like that! F. Susan asks: Do you accept or ever answer fan mail? If yes, where
can fans write to you? Group
answer: Lisa
King and Christine Toledo have a website where you can email them or
sign a guestbook Lisa
- www.theblackwidow.us Christine
- www.christinetoledo.com For
the other angels you can go to www.mastertoddy.com
and drop an email attention to whichever Angel you choose to send a
message to. Gina:
Never gotten fan mail before, but if someone wanted to write me, of
course I would accept it. Ardra:
I’d love to answer fan mail! G.
Ted asks: Can any of you break boards with your hands or feet? Group
answer: Can
you? H. Julie asks: would you allow your daughters to be fighters? Lisa:
My daughter has trained Muay Thai for the past 2 years, I personally
feel that she should not fight until she is at least 16 years old.
Others can be assessed on an individual basis.
So to answer your question – yes – just in due time. Ardra:
My daughter is 8 and has been doing muay thai for a few years now. And I
would love nothing more than for her to follow into my footsteps. I.
Jim asks: if an opponent fouls you, and the ref doesn't call it
after the second time, do you complain to the ref, or just foul her
back? Christine:
It won’t happen a second time. Gina:
Well, if the ref doesn’t call it, I would try to make it to where she
wouldn’t want to foul me again. Lisa:
Ditto - Gina Ardra:
I’d give her my own warning. J. Kevin asks: Who in your opinion is the toughest fighter today in
women’s kickboxing or Muay Thai? Christine:
Naoko Kumagai, Lucia Rijker. As
of active fighters today, I couldn’t tell ya. Lisa:
Angela Rivera, and my most favorite up and coming :
Christine Toledo (she’d fight to the death)
Christine:
Once that bell rings and the fight begins, I block out the crowd
and zone in on the fight. Gina:
I normally hate to be in front of a bunch of people, like giving
speeches and stuff but fighting is kinda becoming my comfort zone, so it
feels natural, also after the first hit everyone kinda disappears
anyway. Lisa:
Fortunately due to my professional life – being up in front of
people is my comfort zone. We
spar so much in class – I also block out the crowd once the bell rings
and do what I came to do – fight! Ardra:
It gives me such a rush and motivates me! Once the fight starts, there
is only two of us! L.Katherine asks: Aren’t you afraid of possibly getting your
teeth knocked out, or getting scarred or disfigured in some way and
maybe not being as attractive as your are now? Christine:
As fighters, we are trained to protect ourselves in a fight. I don’t
think any of us would be fighting if we worried about the damage that
can be done to our looks. Gina:
No, challenging yourself and living is a much better feeling then what
looks could ever bring. Lisa:
Christine touched on a perfect point.
We just aren’t worried. Of
course we realize that there could be ramifications to what we do.
That is why we train hard and work on defense as much as offense
so we are confident going into the ring that we can defend ourselves. Ardra:
I don’t think of getting scarred or disfigured. I only think about
getting in there and having fun and doing what I’ve trained for. M.Nigel asks: Do any of you have tattoos? And where? Lisa:
Come to our next promotion on March 26th and view for
yourself! N.Amy asks: Do you ever lose your temper and get mad at an
opponent? And without using names can you give an example? Christine:
Never. Once you lose it, you lose control of the fight. Gina:
No, I let them lose their heads, I keep my head as clear as possible. Lisa:
No, staying in control in any bad situation helps you do just that –
stay in control. Ardra:
Nope, I try to keep my cool. O. Wolfgang writes: How do you feel when you KO somebody? Christine:
I’d guess I did something right. If you are asking whether I have pity
on the opponent, to some degree, yes. But both fighters agree to fight,
given the rules and know what they risk. P.
Mercedes asks: Does being a fighter make you feel really powerful
and confident on the street, and in public places? Christine:
Not overly confident. But yes, there is a confidence that I once lacked
before Muay Thai became a part of my life. There’s a sense of safety
and if need be, I am capable of defending myself with the Muay Thai
skills that I have from someone that doesn’t expect it. Gina:
It definitely helps with being confident and even comfortable, because
after sparring, training, and fighting, the regular drama doesn’t seem
so important anymore. Lisa:
I think I am a pretty confident in all that I do – Muay Thai I
am sure helps but it certainly does not give you a false sense of
security. In the sport we
are trained to be aware at all times and make split second decisions
without doubting ourselves which I feel I carry over to my everyday
life. Ardra:
Being a fighter makes me feel confident within myself and in sometimes
awkward and comfortable situations. Q. Vincent asks: have any of you ever beat up a guy you were dating? Christine:
No Lisa:
No – why would I? Ardra:
No
R.
Carson
asks: do you or your opponents ever
swear or call each other names during heated moments in a fight? Christine:
Never Gina:
No, I couldn’t get it past my mouth piece,
ha ha just kiddin, no, never. Lisa:
I don’t think I’ve ever even spoke in a fight.
You don’t have time to. Ardra:
During heated moments I’m not worried about talking. I’m focusing on
letting my hands and feet do the talking. ______________________________________________________________________________ Letter to Dan that summed the whole
interview up before we submitted our answers… It
was the first time that we all were together to analyze who we are as a
group and what affect we have on outsiders.
Honestly, what we've become and are going to become never really
sunk in that deep. We were
just the girls at the gym that were always training for our fights and
suddenly out of no where we became toddy's angels. No real thought to it
when it all began, but from there ideas grew and master toddy liked that
we were 5 completely different girls who share 1 thing in common - our
love for muay thai. And that's what really brought us together. That's
what made us a team. With
that we've become Toddy's Angels.
Master toddy loves this sport more than anyone.. our
commitment and dedication to muay thai brings meaning to him.
That's what he loves
about us. yes he uses our looks. We
made it to that question last night. His notion stands good reason for
Toddy's Angels existence. Many times have we all been asked the question
"you are so beautiful, what makes you want to fight?" To us,
it was never a question we asked ourselves. Looks can be deceiving.
that's really what he uses our looks for. He wants to prove a point.
"these girls can really fight and they take their training
seriously. you look at them once and you'd never in a million years
think they are fighters". that's the idea.
It's our real lives that amazes him and others that get to know
us as individuals. Toddy's Angels is not a gimmick made up to reel
people in. We are the real deal. There's
a synergy that brings us together that master toddy doesn't find common
in his gym or anywhere else. So,
from his marketing perspective, we are bringing something new to
spectators. Master Toddy is taking a different angle at promoting what
he loves. We support the idea because We love muay thai too. Who's says
it'll work? We're just being who we are. We're not TRYING to be
something we are not. It's
still a little hard for me to fully grasp the concept that we are team,
because everyone knows that muay thai is not a team sport and you go
into that ring fighting for yourself, no one else.
What I have to keep reminding myself and others (especially those
who like to categorize us as one) is that we share the same passion for
muay thai and that is the ground which we all stand together on overall.
Our lives outside of it is who we are as individuals. As
far as encouragement to other females, it's difficult being asked
questions that steer us towards giving others advice or words of wisdom.
There's nothing that says we are role models at this point. we are still
pretty green to the sport and we have a lot to live up to. But what we
can share as words of truth and what we believe is that you have to love
the sport. You have to love training. It's hard work. You have to WANT
it. We all believe that we'll get what we want if we can prove it to
ourselves. We're not out to prove anything to anyone. We all want to be
better fighters and perhaps someday we'll gain the respect that we have
for those we have respect for, those who we look up to right now. It's a
long way til we get there. And we know that. It can simply be said: those ropes are our gate, that canvas is our
ground, that ring is where we belong.
Thanks to Toddy's Angels for taking the time to grant this interview to womenkickboxing.com
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